tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19105683.post8794412605696536347..comments2023-11-05T05:58:51.073-05:00Comments on Inside Andre's head ©: A hot ghetto mess, indeedAndrehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01018331496569382238noreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19105683.post-87675773430998547992007-07-30T13:40:00.000-04:002007-07-30T13:40:00.000-04:00I wouldn't make too big of a deal out of this. Thi...I wouldn't make too big of a deal out of this. This show has almost universally been declared unfunny. It won't last more than another six episodes. At best, it will only last for one season before it gets its plug pulled.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19105683.post-22987566448916429442007-07-27T18:56:00.000-04:002007-07-27T18:56:00.000-04:00@ Jos: I think your point could've stood without t...@ Jos: I think your point could've stood without tossing in the Geico.com cavemen example.<BR/><BR/>And you say that I don't know when to stop...Andrehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01018331496569382238noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19105683.post-30889476138124330062007-07-27T06:50:00.000-04:002007-07-27T06:50:00.000-04:00Maybe it wasn't Geico, but you what insurance it i...Maybe it wasn't Geico, but you what insurance it is! "so easy, a caveman could do it."<BR/><BR/>P.S. Those commercials were HILARIOUS the first time that I saw them, but they "jumped the shark"Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19105683.post-70599868343457192212007-07-27T06:48:00.000-04:002007-07-27T06:48:00.000-04:00Good point, Malik.For instance, there are SEVERAL ...Good point, Malik.<BR/><BR/>For instance, there are SEVERAL shows that were #1 in Black households that were taken off the air! The show "Living Single" for example. it was hugely popular among Black audiences when it was taken off the air that the fans of the show DEMANDED one more season!<BR/><BR/>2. What about the "George Lopez" show?? Hispanics were outrages when this show was taken off the air. Here we have a family show featuring the largest minority in the US (not to mention, where else are you able to see Hispanics on TV in a postivie light?) and it was ripped off the air for another show......<BR/><BR/>The cavemen from the Geico commercials<BR/><BR/>Nuff said about that....<BR/><BR/>Aywho, I say all that to say that it takes a WHOLE lot more than "us" to keep a show on. Basically repeated what Malik and Andre said, but I use examples. :)<BR/><BR/>Black people need to fight back though...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19105683.post-72167636589605849962007-07-27T01:21:00.000-04:002007-07-27T01:21:00.000-04:00@ Diane/Cyn: One of the common mistakes that peopl...@ Diane/Cyn: One of the common mistakes that people make regarding their impression of BET is that Black people are somehow the driving force behind the network's existence. After all, it's black faces you see on videos. But the reality is: black folks are not, by any stretch, the only people feeding coins into the machine. It's just that we're the ones who get associated with it.<BR/> <BR/>@ Malik: Er, uh. Oops. I think you just said all that. My bad...Andrehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01018331496569382238noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19105683.post-90832144163501978822007-07-27T00:23:00.000-04:002007-07-27T00:23:00.000-04:00No no no no Diane. Hip-Hop, to take one relevant e...No no no no Diane. Hip-Hop, to take one relevant example, didn't become the phenomenon it is because of the support of Black folks alone. Even if every single Black person between the ages of 12 and 40 was a die-hard mainstream hip-hop fan, that market segment is far too small to generate the kind of revenue that BET gets. Some kinds of all kinds of people love this garbage. Again, the market is global. But, it's up to us to Black folks to fight back against it. And I'm going to think on the best way to do that...Malik Akbarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11861946517231339877noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19105683.post-1677719153248360732007-07-26T22:56:00.000-04:002007-07-26T22:56:00.000-04:00Terrific point Diane! As long as people are willin...Terrific point Diane! As long as people are willing to look the other way just to be entertained, television execs will air whatever they feel necessary to get ratings. Sponors, as a result, go where the cash is.<BR/><BR/>We need to get over the fact that BET is still around. They will be as long as the greater segment of the urban community is around. So there's no real point in going after the network (though the temptation is most definitely there).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19105683.post-8156138571435688162007-07-26T22:41:00.000-04:002007-07-26T22:41:00.000-04:00I don't know that I have a lot to add to what's al...I don't know that I have a lot to add to what's already been said, but what the heck, who ever said I know when to keep my yap shut?<BR/><BR/>The number one thing that drives TV is money. If there wasn't a demand and audience for BET's stereotypical mess, advertisers wouldn't pay for airtime on the network. You don't see a TV show lasting very long if they don't get the ratings and the market share to make it worth the advertiser's investment.<BR/><BR/>This is supply and demand at work in its simplest form. The problem is not what BET shows: It's the fact that there's a market for the junk. <BR/><BR/>Until black people en masse start start respecting themselves and demanding it of others, both black and all races, this kind of junk will continue to be aired, because frankly, it's what a large segment of the black population apparently wants to see and supports with their advertising dollar.<BR/><BR/>Okay, I think I'm done now. :-)<BR/><BR/>Love and hugs,<BR/><BR/>DianeDiane@Diane's Placehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10919687116633720697noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19105683.post-53766269144703248622007-07-26T16:49:00.000-04:002007-07-26T16:49:00.000-04:00@ KC: I know what you're talkin' about. What you'r...@ KC: I know what you're talkin' about. What you're referring to is Oscar Brown's poem "Bid 'Em In". Let me just say that this brotha's work was AMAZING (rest his soul). At one point, TS Monk (Thelonious Monk's son) did an <A HREF="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ft_s4LNwGXY" REL="nofollow">incredible rendition </A> of it. I found out about it when he performed at a jazz concert in Flint. Anyway, Mr. Brown's poem was converted into the animated short film they played yesterday. Last I heard, it was up for an Academy Award.<BR/><BR/>You're correct, though. It's ironic that TS Monk's video and the animated film were both shown on BET of all places.Andrehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01018331496569382238noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19105683.post-44533523981167455472007-07-26T16:29:00.000-04:002007-07-26T16:29:00.000-04:00I don't know how much of the show you watched, but...I don't know how much of the show you watched, but did you see the commercial/promo with the animation about a slave auction? It was a powerful piece shown, ironically, while BET was selling black folks out.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19105683.post-5490008735863667182007-07-26T16:19:00.000-04:002007-07-26T16:19:00.000-04:00@ Joanne: I completely agree with you. But as I me...@ Joanne: I completely agree with you. But as I mentioned before, this junk is a cash cow. I don't think that the market for the mess will ever be completely tapped out. That's the sad part.<BR/><BR/>@ Heiress: I don't think you'll find a person (other than perhaps Bob Johnson and Debra Lee) who wouldn't agree that Amos & Andy was the most ridiculously racist program of its time. But the difference between that and some of the crap on BET is that the buildup to that show was reflective of a much greater and more complex history of socially-imposed racism. The nonsense on BET today is just a product of self-imposed ignorance; which somehow gets validated as a legitimate art form.<BR/><BR/>Oh yeah: Mo'Nique and her "charm school" fall in the same category. She's the queen of new-aged minstrelsy.<BR/><BR/>@ Kim: I wanted to check it out for context. As I said before, I don't want to get in the habit of villifying something until I've had a chance to see it myself.<BR/><BR/>"Whereof one cannot speak, thereof one must be silent."<BR/><BR/>- Ludwig Wittgenstein<BR/><BR/>By the way, I'm a little leary about BET's "inspirational" junk. But I at least give them credit for expanding out from the nonsensical urban emphasis they place on their programming all throughout the week.<BR/><BR/>@ Jos: "<I>1. Bobby Jones is the sterotypical gay choir director</I>"<BR/><BR/>BET is just promoting stereotypes all over the place.<BR/><BR/>"<I>2. There are SOME good preachers who broadcast on BET, who genuinely have a good Word. HOWEVER, it bothers me that a lot of these televangelists who are all about "miracle cloths", "Holy spring water", and any other gimmick (yeah, I said it! It's a GIMMICK) to lure people into sending them money wind up on BET.</I>"<BR/><BR/>A reflection of many of inane "church" stuff <I>and</I> BET being insipid. A dangerous combination...<BR/><BR/>"<I>I think that I have a bigger problem with that type of programming being on BET than I do anything else!!!</I>"<BR/><BR/>More than Baldwin Hills and the BET awards?!<BR/><BR/>"<I>P.S. Ever notice how you NEVER see Bill Cosby on BET...for nothing?<BR/><BR/>Gotta love the Cos!</I>"<BR/><BR/>Dr. Cosby's intentions are good. But his only problem is that he focuses his attacks on <I>all</I> lower class blacks; not just the ones who need it. But I get your point.Andrehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01018331496569382238noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19105683.post-60240767893077081092007-07-26T14:59:00.000-04:002007-07-26T14:59:00.000-04:00Sorry, Can't do Bobby Jones or most of the inspira...Sorry, <BR/><BR/>Can't do Bobby Jones or most of the inspirational stuff on BET.<BR/><BR/>1. Bobby Jones is the sterotypical gay choir director<BR/><BR/>2. There are SOME good preachers who broadcast on BET, who genuinely have a good Word. HOWEVER, it bothers me that a lot of these televangelists who are all about "miracle cloths", "Holy spring water", and any other gimmick (yeah, I said it! It's a GIMMICK) to lure people into sending them money wind up on BET. <BR/><BR/>I think that I have a bigger problem with that type of programming being on BET than I do anything else!!!<BR/><BR/>P.S. Ever notice how you NEVER see Bill Cosby on BET...for nothing?<BR/><BR/>Gotta love the Cos!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19105683.post-38791819385847490452007-07-26T14:31:00.000-04:002007-07-26T14:31:00.000-04:00Your bad for watching. I gave up BET about 10 year...Your bad for watching. I gave up BET about 10 years ago and never looked back.<BR/><BR/>That's a small lie, I do watch their inspirational programming, gotta love that Bobby Jones.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19105683.post-29615680048081030722007-07-26T14:15:00.000-04:002007-07-26T14:15:00.000-04:00as a reminder from your last BET post, i don't hav...as a reminder from your last BET post, i don't have cable so i don't get to see these programs, but from what i'm reading, these shows make me think of back in the days of amos 'n andy (as far as stereotyping;also waaaaay before your time), and that show caused plenty rukus.<BR/><BR/>i did get to see monique's charm school show when i was at my sister's house, and i wasn't impressed.heiresschildhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02769921885594197625noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19105683.post-76994179976875263402007-07-26T13:31:00.000-04:002007-07-26T13:31:00.000-04:00It's an absolute shame that this junk made it to t...It's an absolute shame that this junk made it to the light. BET execs should be ashamed of themselves for this one.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19105683.post-59312687014947306362007-07-26T13:11:00.000-04:002007-07-26T13:11:00.000-04:00"...part of the problem is that there is also acti..."<I>...part of the problem is that there is also active resistance to the production and distribution of counterbalancing images, despite all the evidence that there is a large audience for those images as well.</I>"<BR/><BR/>Absolutely! I can't figure out at what point black entertainment started regressing from the likes of the Cosby Show, Amen, 227; hell -- even Family Matters. I can only think of a couple of shows today; Everybody hates Chris and Girlfriends that feature a predominately black cast that doesn't gently fit into the typical black stereotype. <BR/><BR/>With diverse programming being in the minority, BET is all that stands between us and the world. Scary thought. TV-One is a good start. But I'm not sure if it's generated enough mainstream validation to combat BET.Andrehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01018331496569382238noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19105683.post-62061929012217120012007-07-26T12:36:00.000-04:002007-07-26T12:36:00.000-04:00I'd redefine the problem a little bit. I'd say the...I'd redefine the problem a little bit. I'd say the problem isn't just that there is a global appetite for dehumanizing caricatures of Black folks (I've seen soap operas from <I>Syria</I> with posters of Puff Daddy in the background), part of the problem is that there is also active resistance to the production and distribution of counterbalancing images, despite all the evidence that there is a large audience for those images as well.Malik Akbarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11861946517231339877noreply@blogger.com